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Former Mod's discord mocks users for wanting privacy Discussion
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View NSFW content Private bots are private for a reason (I know devs can still see it; this is about the mods in question). Do not let anyone use a Trojan horse or emotional blackmail (again from them) to bully people into having embarrassing, sensitive or socially damaging content revealed.
Pedos will hide anyway. Innocent people get hurt by leaks, misinterpretation, and misuse. Privacy includes protecting thoughts, fantasies, creativity, embarrassing content, and roleplays.
Who else should monitor you because of a tiny minority of people?
You are not the good guys because you are against CSAM. We all are against CSAM, and we don't want to intrude on people's sensitive information to ego trip about how we are the “good guys”
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Search Comments Expand comment search Comments Section proxximax • 4h ago Touched grass last week 🏕️🌳 So today we've learned that people apparently can't care about their privacy and be against CSAM at the same time??? Omfg. Yeah, our data is serious stuff too.
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s42stars • 6h ago “The other serious stuff” LOL. Privacy is The serious stuff. Abusing your power to treat everyone else like potential criminals is what exposes one’s views and morals.
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 6h ago They literally had no reason to target regular people in the middle of this
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u/Illustrious_Play7907 avatar Illustrious_Play7907 • 5h ago Unmotivated Bot Creator 🛌💤 Uhhh I think CSAM (yes, real live children) not being deleted is much more serious
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s42stars • 4h ago Delete it then. That doesn’t mean you should just assume people are pedos and start scanning their private chats or bots.
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 5h ago They literally are. Don't say that because one managed to slip past where it isn't explicit and is very low quality, that they aren't being deleted. Weirdo
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Illustrious_Play7907 • 5h ago Unmotivated Bot Creator 🛌💤 UMAbyUMA • 4h ago {{user}} I don’t really want to insert myself into this dispute, but I do want to point out one thing. Regardless of whether there are two sides to the argument about whether moderators should have access to private information in the future, under the actual circumstances at the time, I believe it would have been absolutely inappropriate to grant such access to moderators who were volunteers. That would have been a serious mistake.
I believe the former moderator acted with a sense of justice, but the reality is that they were not only unpaid volunteers, they also had not signed any confidentiality agreements. They could resign at any time and publicly release screenshots of their conversations with the developers without facing any consequences.
If such permissions had truly been granted back then, users would have had no real protection and would have been forced to rely solely on the moderators’ personal integrity to ensure that private information was not leaked. Yes, this is a theoretical risk...but some lines simply should not be crossed.
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 3h ago This should have been pointed out much earlier tbh
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FreakyCat667 • 3h ago Privacy isn't a serious thing to them until they get they shit stolen and sold across the web! 😹
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dipkut • 2h ago I think saying that in a large language model chatbot community is kinda ironic but I see what you're trying to say
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u/EvilGodShura avatar EvilGodShura • 3h ago Privacy is peak. I cant imagine using a service that doesnt put that above everything.
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 3h ago Ikr. You can't explain it to these people though they will twerk for privacy violations because it firs their current agenda
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u/SoraMelodiosa avatar SoraMelodiosa • 4h ago its protect the kids all over again
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Ok-Ingenuity5810 • 2h ago They seem so mean
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 2h ago They are just very immature tbh
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u/Hot-Stand7222 avatar Hot-Stand7222 • 2h ago "You're opposing this because you're a disgusting pedophile!" Hell nah! This is a very common manipulation tactic... to drag someone into what you want by shaming or labeling them. Just like oppressive regimes use the excuse, "If you have nothing to fear, why don't you want state surveillance?" while monitoring people's every move. The only thing you can say to these people is: "If you let me access your private bots too, then come and look at everything I own!"
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BurnThePedos • 2h ago Horny 😰 They’re so unprofessional it’s embarrassing
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u/BetLucky4597 avatar BetLucky4597 • 1h ago This reads less like a serious critique and more like an emotional unload. Airing internal conversations and throwing around accusations after things didn’t go their way feels immature and petty.
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u/MonopolyManPorn avatar MonopolyManPorn • 2h ago Gooner 🥵💦 I feel liie this is a ploy to just breach people's shit. I don't want any snooping on my private bots. They're private for a reason, to abide by the sites rules
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u/28Walker avatar 28Walker • 6h ago New here, but... Not worth reading after that ahh comment.
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gimmesump0rn • 5h ago All of this is so dumb. They're BOTS. There's no actual kids getting hurt. Holy shit. I know nuanced points of view is INSANE in 2026, but cmon. Really?
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u/Illustrious_Play7907 avatar Illustrious_Play7907 • 5h ago Unmotivated Bot Creator 🛌💤 There's literally CSAM. Not just AI bots. Real children in images.
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gimmesump0rn • 5h ago really? goddamnit these people
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1 more reply u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 5h ago Lmao breach all of our privacy to stop that evil man from gooning to a private chatbot
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gimmesump0rn • 5h ago ikr. any kind of CSAM is heresy. Pedo stuff is vile, but if there's victimless ways for them to manage their urges, isn't that good? If they don't have anywhere to turn, guess what will happen? I know this is insane, high IQ stuff right here, but come on a journey with me
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 5h ago We not going on that journey… if they don't post them and keep them in private then if the LLM itself doesn't stop them theres nothing we can do and no scanner or monitoring is justifiable over this
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More replies u/Hot-Stand7222 avatar Hot-Stand7222 • 2h ago Yes, that's right. Pedophilia is a very serious psychological disorder, and many people with it can't understand that their urges are wrong because they're sick. They simply think the world doesn't understand them. So it's a million times better for a group of sick people to satisfy their sick urges behind closed doors with their secret bots than to actually harm someone. Maybe what I'm saying sounds bizarre, but believe me, it's the least harmful method. Is it perfect? No. Is it certain? No. Is it completely harmless? No. Is it ethically right? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But given the current circumstances, it's the most practical method (I'm not talking about the freak who uses real child pictures. That's a criminal who should be punished. I'm just talking about the people who create fictional bots).
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u/Kenna_Shark avatar Kenna_Shark • 3h ago your comments sound like confessions to me i’m ngl
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u/Business-Hippo-8793 avatar Business-Hippo-8793 • 3h ago im sorry but if they are having those thoughts, they need REAL help. seeking help and acting on those urges from an ai bot will only further harm them and others. that just increases the chances of it happening to a real life child. this is not a good idea at all.
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1 more reply methodicalPrince • 4h ago this is difficult to understand out of context i will admit. but i do think its important to note that when you MAKE a bot, even privately, you're posting content on a platform. there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. you are using the tools a website gives you to create something. it Stopped being private as soon as you started using someone else's service and platform. This is important for the sake of moderating potentially illegal content. it doesn't sound like anyone was talking about looking over anyone's roleplays or anything, just checking the platform's bots (all of them) to make sure they meet guidelines which is. a reasonable request.
i think people have gotten way too. like. entitled?? to this idea that everything they do ai-related is 100% private when it... really isn't and shouldn't be. if you WANT it to be private, locally host and use your own front-end to keep it on your own machine. jai is NOT the place to demand privacy when there's talk about moderating predators.
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s42stars • 4h ago • Edited 4h ago That doesn’t make any sense. Why should locally-hosted bots be off limits if we only care about “moderating predators”? So CSAM is allowed if you can keep it all in your own hardware?
Privacy matters. Using other people’s services to create something gives them the ability to violate your privacy but it doesn’t mean they get a free pass to do so.
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methodicalPrince • 3h ago csam is illegal, even on your own hardware. the point i made in my comment was if you want Complete Privacy, as people seem to expect, locally host your ai. that's all i said. i did not say it was allowed if you keep it on your hardware. that was not the point of my comment.
as i told op, its allowed within the privacy policy. literally all i said was by using the website's services, you're agreeing to potentially being moderated. the same goes for ANY website you use. this isn't some invasion of privacy, it's the bare minimum for most services
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1 more reply u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 4h ago Wrong. Laws in certain places forbid such violations of privacy even if the janitor ai ToS allows it. It is labeled as private and so it must be. The staff have access in situations where police can demand logs, but not for casual viewing
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methodicalPrince • 3h ago this isn't technically a violation of privacy. what you're talking about is a subpoena, and, yes, that is the case. janitor ai's privacy policy, however, states two things:
they collect user information that is voluntarily provided, such as (the important one!!): "User Content: Characters you create, chat conversations, messages, and other content you generate or upload." they use the information for the following purpose (among other things): Enforcing our Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. Detecting, investigating, and preventing fraud, abuse, and security incidents. Protecting the rights, property, and safety of JanitorAI, our users, and the public. Content moderation to maintain a safe environment. there is no differentiation between "private" and "public" bots in their privacy policy. both are user content. the discussion, as i interpreted it, isn't about casual viewing, but the ability for moderators to actually do their jobs. again, by using janitorai, you've agreed to your information being subjected to these sorts of terms. If you, or anyone else, wants your stuff to be private, use your own llm.
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 3h ago They are volunteer mods actually who have signed no agreements so no they are not allowed to by EU standards
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More replies u/Happy_Gene_1033 avatar Happy_Gene_1033 • 4h ago This ^
Literally I don't understand why, as long as they don't go ahead and read through your whole chat (which let's be real - that's just impossible with the amount of people and chats on the site), are ppl so damn defensive?? Cause I don't feel like that would be a breach of my privacy at all. Because I have nothing foul there to hide.
I literally thought that private bots are mainly meant for you to do a quick test before you publish it, lol. Obviously not for everyone.
Damn... I don't even want to know what they have hidden if they don't want anyone to see this badly. OP said it themselves - the devs can see. What harm would be there then if someone else could see the description or the pic?
Sure, I get the need to feel some 'sense' of privacy, but my mind really cannot comprehend this.
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u/Dear-Currency-9852 avatar Dear-Currency-9852 OP • 4h ago • Edited 2h ago Privacy is a right not guilt you… im sorry happy gene
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u/SingleRefrigerator8 avatar SingleRefrigerator8 • 4h ago Just because you don't mind mods reading your chats that doesn't mean others wouldn't. Don't assume for everybody. And privacy is a right for everyone. Private chats are private because people do not like to share them in public. And we also have incidents where mods leaked private chats (take sakura AI for example). So, even though most people have nothing to hide, they simply do not trust mods.
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u/HOTLINEHYMN avatar HOTLINEHYMN • 3h ago Maybe, Just Maybe "we're all against csam" be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SOSOSO fr rn